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Action needed! Contact your Councillors, etc and Oppose the Directive now!
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RE: Action needed! Contact your Councillors, etc and Oppose the Directive now!
Just to throw in with this (and if nothing else it proves i am one of those trying to keep the vapes alive) I got this response from Arlene McCarthy - Labour MEP for the North West

of the 7 people I wrote too, this was the first respondent

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Thank you for your recent correspondence regarding e-cigarettes.



Labour Euro MPs have received many emails from constituents who have found e-cigarettes to really work in helping them to cut down on smoking, and we are aware that many people feel strongly that their access to these products should not be limited in any way.



There has been a lot of misinformation circulating about a proposed ban on e-cigarettes. To clarify, within the European Parliament there has been no proposals to ban e-cigarettes and that is certainly not the intention of Labour Euro MPs. We see e-cigarettes as a promising development in smoking cessation and we have spoke to many doctors who specialise in tobacco related illnesses and who have been recommending them to their patients.



Since e-cigarettes are such a new development, there is no specific legislation to cover the, and at the moment they are largely unregulated. It is exactly because of the potential of e-cigarettes that Labour Euro MPs think it is important that consumers can be confident that the products they buy are tested, safe, meet quality standards, and deliver to users what they claim on the package.



The UK Government has been looking at the issue for several years, and has recently concluded that e-cigarettes should be regulated in the same way as nicotine gums and patches – i.e. under light-touch medicines legislation. In a vote in the Health Committee of the European Parliament on Wednesday 10th July, a majority of Euro MPs agreed with this approach.



The “medicines” label would change very little in terms of the availability of e-cigarettes in the UK; over-the-counter products like paracetamol are already widely sold in supermarkets, corner shops and garages, as well as in pharmacies. As nicotine is already a well-known substance, e-cigarettes would not be required to undertake costly clinical trials, which may pushed the price up, and there are event some advantages in terms of a lower VAT rate, and the possibility of e-cigarettes being available free to patients on prescription.



Some constituents have raised concerns about extra-strong and flavoured e-cigarettes being banned under the medicines route, but this would be a decision for the UK regulator. I would be in favour of maintaining a wide choice for consumers, as long as the safety and quality of the product is proven. (Nicotine gum and inhalers in different flavours and in strengths of up to 15mg are already available in the UK).



Health organisations including Cancer Research, the British Heart Foundation, ASH, and doctors associations all support the UK Government medicines approach, as this would ensure e-cigarettes are not promoted to children or non-smokers, creating a new generation of nicotine addicts (there have already been some press reports about schools having to ban e-cigarettes from the classroom). It would also mean that the products are monitored, as little is known about long-term effects.



We are still a long way away from any changes. The final legislation will only be agreed following a negotiation process involving Euro MPs and national Ministers. Once a deal is reached, Labour Euro MPs will be working to ensure that e-cigarette companies will have several additional years in which to adapt to the new rules, so that there are no interruptions on the market.



I hope this information is helpful.



Yours sincerely

Arlene McCarthy

14/08/13 02:11 AM
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RE: Action needed! Contact your Councillors, etc and Oppose the Directive now!
(14/08/13 02:11 AM)diabl0 Wrote:  Just to throw in with this (and if nothing else it proves i am one of those trying to keep the vapes alive) I got this response from Arlene McCarthy - Labour MEP for the North West

of the 7 people I wrote too, this was the first respondent

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Thank you for your recent correspondence regarding e-cigarettes.



Labour Euro MPs have received many emails from constituents who have found e-cigarettes to really work in helping them to cut down on smoking, and we are aware that many people feel strongly that their access to these products should not be limited in any way.



There has been a lot of misinformation circulating about a proposed ban on e-cigarettes. To clarify, within the European Parliament there has been no proposals to ban e-cigarettes and that is certainly not the intention of Labour Euro MPs. We see e-cigarettes as a promising development in smoking cessation and we have spoke to many doctors who specialise in tobacco related illnesses and who have been recommending them to their patients.



Since e-cigarettes are such a new development, there is no specific legislation to cover the, and at the moment they are largely unregulated. It is exactly because of the potential of e-cigarettes that Labour Euro MPs think it is important that consumers can be confident that the products they buy are tested, safe, meet quality standards, and deliver to users what they claim on the package.



The UK Government has been looking at the issue for several years, and has recently concluded that e-cigarettes should be regulated in the same way as nicotine gums and patches – i.e. under light-touch medicines legislation. In a vote in the Health Committee of the European Parliament on Wednesday 10th July, a majority of Euro MPs agreed with this approach.



The “medicines” label would change very little in terms of the availability of e-cigarettes in the UK; over-the-counter products like paracetamol are already widely sold in supermarkets, corner shops and garages, as well as in pharmacies. As nicotine is already a well-known substance, e-cigarettes would not be required to undertake costly clinical trials, which may pushed the price up, and there are event some advantages in terms of a lower VAT rate, and the possibility of e-cigarettes being available free to patients on prescription.



Some constituents have raised concerns about extra-strong and flavoured e-cigarettes being banned under the medicines route, but this would be a decision for the UK regulator. I would be in favour of maintaining a wide choice for consumers, as long as the safety and quality of the product is proven. (Nicotine gum and inhalers in different flavours and in strengths of up to 15mg are already available in the UK).



Health organisations including Cancer Research, the British Heart Foundation, ASH, and doctors associations all support the UK Government medicines approach, as this would ensure e-cigarettes are not promoted to children or non-smokers, creating a new generation of nicotine addicts (there have already been some press reports about schools having to ban e-cigarettes from the classroom). It would also mean that the products are monitored, as little is known about long-term effects.



We are still a long way away from any changes. The final legislation will only be agreed following a negotiation process involving Euro MPs and national Ministers. Once a deal is reached, Labour Euro MPs will be working to ensure that e-cigarette companies will have several additional years in which to adapt to the new rules, so that there are no interruptions on the market.



I hope this information is helpful.



Yours sincerely

Arlene McCarthy

Thanks for the information .... Labour keep shifting their rhetoric but still maintain the medicines route , it really proves that e-mails/tweets etc are having some effect.

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14/08/13 07:43 AM
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RE: Action needed! Contact your Councillors, etc and Oppose the Directive now!
"Send two and sixpence we're going to a dance"

"Send reinforcements we're going to advance"

I know it's pedantic, but as a play on words isn't the health message "e-cigs helped me give up smoking" and the substitute message " e-cigs are my replacement for nicotine" basically one and the same message. By replacing tobacco cigarettes with e-cigs one is effectively giving up tobacco cigarettes. However mentioning words such as "give up" or similar portrays e-cigs as a smoking cessation product, which plays into the hands of Big Pharma and the desire to regulate e-cigs as medicinal products.

Beariing in mind that the Pharma industry is enormous and by all accounts even employs 10,000 lobbyists within the EU I do wonder if all our letters to MEPs etc extolling the virtues of e-cigs and how they have changed our lives etc has led many to take the view that

1) they are a useful new product against the evil tobacco cigarette
2) because they have helped so many people give up smoking they must be a smoking cessation product
3) they have to be regulated like other smoking cessation products, so they can be recommended by health professionals.

So big pharma have used their massive influence to convince politicians that they should be providing smoking cessation products and we the users have maybe reinforced this message by writing to MEPs etc and explaining how e-cigs have helped us kick the tobacco smoking habit.

No letters I have seen from politicians are against e-cigs, but the debate has maybe got clouded in that we are very keen to reinforce the quitting tobacco/health reasons for non regulation, without highlighting why specifically e-cigs have worked for us and thousands of others and why medical regulation would simply decrease or more probably totally stifle their usefulness and uptake.

In particular I'm thinking that highlighting the fact that different liquid flavours, the ability to choose and self regulate nicotine strength plus the wide choice of looks and device functionality is the very reason why people replace their smoking habit with vaping to obtain their nicotine needs. The public are engaged because there is a massive choice that is already proven to be safe; is readily and easily obtainable and without any unnecessary medical interference. Take all of this away by unnecessary medical regulation and the very reasons why e-cigs are proving to be so popular by the public will quickly disappear.
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(14/08/13 09:18 AM)marlowejames Wrote:  "Send two and sixpence we're going to a dance"

"Send reinforcements we're going to advance"

surely its 3 and fourpence?

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(15/08/13 12:05 AM)diabl0 Wrote:  
(14/08/13 09:18 AM)marlowejames Wrote:  "Send two and sixpence we're going to a dance"

"Send reinforcements we're going to advance"

surely its 3 and fourpence?

actually it is three and fourpence, and I'm disappointed in you marlowejames, I really am!

Mind you, you're spot on on the stuff that counts.

Now, anyway, how do you account for your error and how will you make recompense?

15/08/13 12:10 AM
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(15/08/13 12:10 AM)blaze Wrote:  
(15/08/13 12:05 AM)diabl0 Wrote:  
(14/08/13 09:18 AM)marlowejames Wrote:  "Send two and sixpence we're going to a dance"

"Send reinforcements we're going to advance"

surely its 3 and fourpence?

actually it is three and fourpence, and I'm disappointed in you marlowejames, I really am!

Mind you, you're spot on on the stuff that counts.

Now, anyway, how do you account for your error and how will you make recompense?

Bloody hell I lower the price and the public are still moaning HeHe! It's called marketing. Times are hard, so it's now "two and sixpence" plus your first pint is free and your cloakroom ticket is included. By the way it's not Stringfellows, but I'm sure there'll be a slapper or two looking out for some "company"
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Got this from the Chris Davies camp today.

Chris Davies MEP

Dear Mr ............

You will know that the European Parliament voted last month in support of measures intended to ensure the safety of e-cigs, and to curb any marketing directed at under-18s or intended to promote brands linked to tobacco cigarettes.

A clear majority of MEPs made clear that they wanted these controls but NOT the introduction of requirements to classify e-cigs as medicinal products in ways that may increase their cost and restrict their availability.

Negotiations have now begun between representatives of the political groups in the Parliament and the Lithuanian Presidency on behalf of the Council of Ministers (EU governments). They aim to seek agreement on all aspects of the Tobacco Products Directive (and related matters) by the end of the month.

The big issue that divides the two sides is the regulation of e-cigs. The Council and the Commission still want the medicinal approach.

It was the intention of Parliament's rapporteur, Labour MEP Linda McAvan, who leads the negotiations, to leave the e-cigs issue till last. But Liberal Democrat and Conservative MEPs have insisted that it should be put on the agenda before this, so first discussions will take place mid-month.

I am told that the strongest group in the Parliament, the European Peoples' Party, is saying that keeping e-cigs out of medicinal regulation is a key concern for them.

This is good, but let's not pretend that these negotiations are going to be easy. The Commission may well come up with some words which sound as though they are a compromise but actually will not meet our concerns.

In all of this we are not helped by the attitude of the political parties in the House of Commons, all of which appear to have decided to support the medicinal approach before they heard from any e-cig users.

It would help enormously if we could persuade David Cameron and Jeremy Hunt, the Health Secretary, to change their stance. We need them to tell other Governments that they are prepared to consider seriously the approach proposed by the European Parliament.

I have spoken with Norman Lamb, the Liberal Democrat Health Minister. He tells me that he strongly supports the use of e-cigs as a means of breaking tobacco addiction, but that it is not an issue for which he has responsibility.

I am asking you to contact your MP about this to put pressure on the Government to change its approach. It will be especially useful if you are represented by a Conservative MP.

We want them to look seriously at the amendment proposed by the European Parliament. It meets there concerns about the need for regulation without introduction unnecessary restrictions.

They need to be reminded that it is tobacco, not nicotine, that kills 700,000 in Europe every year. And they need to be reminded also that this is EU legislation, and even if light touch regulation is applied in the UK in other countries the medicinal approach will be much more restrictive. We should try to prevent this.

Remember, MPs (like MEPs!) want to hear from their own constituents not from those living elsewhere. You can find out who your local MP is and how to contact them by visiting http://www.writetothem.com

Personal letters are most effective, with personal e-mails as back up. It was a single handwritten letter that I received from a constituent, describing how e-cigs had helped them cut smoking, that persuaded me to campaign on this issue.

Good luck.

I shall do what I can in Brussels and Strasbourg to try and ensure that the European Parliament holds to the position we have currently agreed.

With regards

Chris Davies MEP

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