is ASH any good ?

[Vaperman]

I smoked rolling tobacco heavily all of my adult life, I am now 37 ( almost 38 ), Since discovery a FREE disposable E-Cig ( Electric Zebra ) I knew Instantly that this product would get me off " Smoking " completely ( With a bit of willpower too ). I done some research on-line to see what else was out there and found a few forums where I could research for my needs further. I have not had one roll up or cigarette since I began vaping on 20/07/2012, Its been tough still and still Is but not as tough as my previous attempts to kick the habit and on the plus side this method, The E-Cig method ? Hasn't failed where other products on the market have.

[Rory Morrison]

(22/09/12 12:46 PM)Rojeans Wrote:  Rory. I'd be interested in you opinion of this. Please read all of it. http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.fr/2012/...ronic.html

as others have said, at the moment this could happen (but nothing is sure yet - the blog author Prof Michael Siegel is relying on the same reporting as I am), if it did it might not make much difference to what goes on in the UK anyway because it seems likely the MHRA will attempt some sort form of regulatory oversight of at least some brands of e-cigs regardless of the EC. it would make a difference to other EU member states that aren't currently considering regulation.

[Gluggler]

Interesting article that mentions ASH in New Zealand, where the govt are clamping down on e-cigs

Quote: ASH director, Ben Youdan, says e-cigarettes have proved they do the job they're intended for.

"We're certainly getting very good stories from smokers saying that these have helped them. Seeing clinical trial data that's starting to show they're also effective

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/new...-be-banned

The article is about how anti-smoking groups like ASH are campaigning for e-cigs not to be banned and concludes

Quote:"They're in danger of closing off what is a potentially a very useful way, and beneficial way for smokers to get off smoking without even trying."

[Rojeans]

(30/09/12 05:34 PM)Gluggler Wrote:  Interesting article that mentions ASH in New Zealand, where the govt are clamping down on e-cigs

Quote: ASH director, Ben Youdan, says e-cigarettes have proved they do the job they're intended for.

"We're certainly getting very good stories from smokers saying that these have helped them. Seeing clinical trial data that's starting to show they're also effective

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/new...-be-banned

The article is about how anti-smoking groups like ASH are campaigning for e-cigs not to be banned and concludes

Quote:"They're in danger of closing off what is a potentially a very useful way, and beneficial way for smokers to get off smoking without even trying."

Some sence being spoken at last.

[FlavourArtUK]

The article linked to is a little sparse and does not explain that the Hydro ecig, the nicotine-containing version of
the Elusion, is one that the Government has deemed to be marketed/sold illegally.

The Ministry of Health, Medsafe branch, has advised distributors of Hydro that they
should cease advertising, selling and distributing their electronic cigarette cartridges or
face severe penalties under the Medicines Act for distributing a product containing
nicotine, which is listed in regulations as a medicine. Medsafe administers the Medicines
Act, where nicotine electronic cigarettes have been “parked” since 2007. Threatened
with a fine of up to $100,000, AFP International, based in Auckland, which owns Hydro
brand, faces loss of its Hydro business. Elusion which does not contain nicotine is not
affected but does not sell so well.

This does not mean that the NZ Government want to ban all ecigs permanently. They are
aware of the success rates but like many other slow-moving government agencies are
waiting for what they consider as sufficient scientific evidence to justify lifting the ban.
They also have to abide by current legislation which renders ecigs containing nicotine illegal.
I'm sure they will become 'legal' in NZ as they are committed to a Smokefree New Zealand
and ecigs are seen as a viable alternative, so long as they meet certain criteria.
Lots of good work continues to be carried out in NZ and I'm confident that ecigs will replace
tobacco for many smokers over the next few years.

[JayLavEnts]

(30/09/12 11:59 PM)FlavourArtUK Wrote:  The article linked to is a little sparse and does not explain that the Hydro ecig, the nicotine-containing version of
the Elusion, is one that the Government has deemed to be marketed/sold illegally.

The Ministry of Health, Medsafe branch, has advised distributors of Hydro that they
should cease advertising, selling and distributing their electronic cigarette cartridges or
face severe penalties under the Medicines Act for distributing a product containing
nicotine, which is listed in regulations as a medicine. Medsafe administers the Medicines
Act, where nicotine electronic cigarettes have been “parked” since 2007. Threatened
with a fine of up to $100,000, AFP International, based in Auckland, which owns Hydro
brand, faces loss of its Hydro business. Elusion which does not contain nicotine is not
affected but does not sell so well.

This does not mean that the NZ Government want to ban all ecigs permanently. They are
aware of the success rates but like many other slow-moving government agencies are
waiting for what they consider as sufficient scientific evidence to justify lifting the ban.
They also have to abide by current legislation which renders ecigs containing nicotine illegal.
I'm sure they will become 'legal' in NZ as they are committed to a Smokefree New Zealand
and ecigs are seen as a viable alternative, so long as they meet certain criteria.
Lots of good work continues to be carried out in NZ and I'm confident that ecigs will replace
tobacco for many smokers over the next few years.

Surely if new Zealand has a Case Law system, someone could overturn the Nicotene-medicine regulation by asking if tobacco cigarettes are medicinal?

[kiwivap]

Hi guys,
I saw this thread when I was googling something. I'm in New Zealand btw. It's been illegal to sell nicotine e-juice or cartos containing nicotine e-juice here for some time. E-cigs themselves aren't banned tho. We either import our juice or make our own and import the nicotine. We can import enough for 3 months personal use. No-one seems to know how much that actually is.
Hydro make one of the smallest e-cigs I've ever seen. It was the first one I tried and is way over-priced. $35 for 5 cartos - and these are tiny cartos. By comparison, 5 standard size cartos from other vendors costs around $10. Hydro and Elusion were being sold in gas stations and corner shops - a basic starter pack and cartos. So that's why the govt cracked down on them - because nicotine products were being sold over the counter.
The climate here has become very anti-smoking - cigaerettes are very expensive and the govt is putting them up each year as part of plan to have NZ smokefree by 2020. Shops are not allowed to have cigarettes on display, and the move now is to pass a law that makes cig manufacturers use plain packaging. So unfortunately vaping gets some collateral damage from the anti-smoking wave.
We don't really want e-cigs to be classed as medicinal - it would create all sorts of problems for us - the amount of regulation involved would make it difficult to import them. We would be classed as importing medicine.
The govt. here are paranoid about kids taking up vaping and becoming addicted to nicotine - well some in the govt since we have a sort of coalition system.
It would be nice to be able to order e-juice locally. But those of us who vape for a while tend to order most stuff from overseas anyway - either the US or China. Being a small place the online vendors we do have here don't carry a big range of products.
It is unfortunate that our govt, which provide cheap nic patches and nic gum to people who want to quit smoking, don't realize how vaping is such a great way to quit the cigs. They really are behind on this one, and I am hoping they will get educated more on it. Doctors here tend to be very positive about vaping. There have also been some positive studies done here. I've been off cigarettes over 6 months myself thanks to vaping. So our govt. is not very progressive on this, but perhaps will wise up as more info is put before them.
Thanks guys. Nice to see we are getting a mention here.

[BlackwaterVaper]

(22/10/12 12:24 PM)kiwivap Wrote:  Hi guys,
I saw this thread when I was googling something. I'm in New Zealand btw. It's been illegal to sell nicotine e-juice or cartos containing nicotine e-juice here for some time. E-cigs themselves aren't banned tho. We either import our juice or make our own and import the nicotine. We can import enough for 3 months personal use. No-one seems to know how much that actually is.
Hydro make one of the smallest e-cigs I've ever seen. It was the first one I tried and is way over-priced. $35 for 5 cartos - and these are tiny cartos. By comparison, 5 standard size cartos from other vendors costs around $10. Hydro and Elusion were being sold in gas stations and corner shops - a basic starter pack and cartos. So that's why the govt cracked down on them - because nicotine products were being sold over the counter.
The climate here has become very anti-smoking - cigaerettes are very expensive and the govt is putting them up each year as part of plan to have NZ smokefree by 2020. Shops are not allowed to have cigarettes on display, and the move now is to pass a law that makes cig manufacturers use plain packaging. So unfortunately vaping gets some collateral damage from the anti-smoking wave.
We don't really want e-cigs to be classed as medicinal - it would create all sorts of problems for us - the amount of regulation involved would make it difficult to import them. We would be classed as importing medicine.
The govt. here are paranoid about kids taking up vaping and becoming addicted to nicotine - well some in the govt since we have a sort of coalition system.
It would be nice to be able to order e-juice locally. But those of us who vape for a while tend to order most stuff from overseas anyway - either the US or China. Being a small place the online vendors we do have here don't carry a big range of products.
It is unfortunate that our govt, which provide cheap nic patches and nic gum to people who want to quit smoking, don't realize how vaping is such a great way to quit the cigs. They really are behind on this one, and I am hoping they will get educated more on it. Doctors here tend to be very positive about vaping. There have also been some positive studies done here. I've been off cigarettes over 6 months myself thanks to vaping. So our govt. is not very progressive on this, but perhaps will wise up as more info is put before them.
Thanks guys. Nice to see we are getting a mention here.

Thanks for the info about NZ. I know that the government there have studies saying that its the safest and most successful way to get people off smoking but banned it because allowing ecigs would interfere with their policy of 'denormalising smoking'. There is some concerns of the same happening in Europe and the negative publicity plus anti-ecig campaigns all seem to be funded by the pharmaceutical companies whose products cost more, have a very low success rate, and include dangerous pills such as Champix.
In the Uk cigarettes cost more every year, there's a 'sin tax' on them, they have to be hidden from view in big shops and there's a campaign to make them all be sold in plain packages with 'frightener' pictures. A lot of corner shops and garages are selling usually poor quality disposable ecigs for the same price as a pack of analogs, sold alongside tobacco and only to people old enough to buy tobacco. They were the first I tried and they tasted disgusting so its a miracle I ever bought decent kit and eliquid. Physical shops seem to be clustered in cities, mostly in the North of the country so most of us have to buy online. Luckily we have a lot of online stores and plenty of choice. They are all supposed to comply with health and safety laws so eliquids are tested, I don't think many would want to buy direct from China. We are hoping that there is enough evidence and enough vapers to stop the industry being controlled by big pharma here.
Going by statistics it seems that all who can quit by traditional means have done so and those who are left are those who can't or won't quit. Plus kids who find it more attractive because of the stigma of smoking, kids rebel, it's the nature of teenagers. I've introduced a number of people, all long-term smokers in their 60s, to vaping and a few just don't like it, a few swap completely, most use it to save money by cutting down on the ciggies. Even that has to do some good.