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How many people have contacted their MEPs' ?
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RE: How many people have contacted their MEPs' ?
It is my guess that most will do nothing. At the same time, the poll may quite easily suggest otherwise.

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In that time, over a million kids started smoking in the UK alone


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10/01/13 12:02 AM
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Contacted mine before christmas.
Only reply's I've had so far are automated responses stating that they're out of the office until the new year.

I'll start chasing them next week.

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10/01/13 05:53 AM
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RE: How many people have contacted their MEPs' ?
I have and the response back was encouraging....basically there is a lot of scaremongering, particulary on forums like this.....to change the law means a massive change to the whole statute book which could take years and mean the ban of sale of things like paracetomol, cough medicines, alcohol and tobacco!
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(10/01/13 10:04 AM)Flavour Vapour North Wrote:  I have and the response back was encouraging....basically there is a lot of scaremongering, particulary on forums like this.....to change the law means a massive change to the whole statute book which could take years and mean the ban of sale of things like paracetomol, cough medicines, alcohol and tobacco!

Scaremongering?

If this proposal goes through as is (i.e. if nothing changes) then next year juice over 4mg in strength will only be available if it's got an MA. That's not scaremongering it's a bloody fact!

The process of changing the law has already begun with the preliminary reading of the "bill" taking place on 25th February at the EU parliament.

It's not a rumour, it's not scaremongering, it's really happening and if anybody is telling you otherwise, they're wrong!

10/01/13 10:11 AM
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I've had an email from Catherine Bearder, Lib-Dem SE region that looks like a template letter and says basically mothing. She says she will vote but not in which way, and not to worry about ecigs being banned because I could get them on prescription.
My reply with sources (hers was the 'ecigs harms lungs' from the discredited Athens study) has apparently been ignored.

Today I received a snail-mail letter from my MP who is Education Secretary. He says he'll raise my concerns with Jeremy Hunt.

Two more MEPs, one who asks for emails for a fast response, his secretary sent an email saying I'd get a reply in 4 weeks. Another said I'd get a reply eventually.

No other responses.

I'm wondering if I can set up an appontment to see my MP, MEPs seem not to see people in the SE.

10/01/13 10:29 AM
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Just had a reply from Brian Simpson Labour MEP for the North West. Dissapointing on many levels for me to say the least. All my points pretty much ignored. Complete and utter buffoonery alert:

"Many thanks for writing to me about the important issue of the EU Tobacco
Products Directive, and how it will affect electronic cigarettes.

Because e-cigarettes are a relatively new product they are regulated
differently in each EU country. Some countries allow e-cigarettes to be
sold without any regulation at all. Others have banned the sale of
e-cigarettes. As the UK is part of the EU's internal market it is important
that we harmonise the way we deal with this product, otherwise consumers
could be buying unregulated products which do not conform to basic safety
standards, either within their own country, or by easily purchasing it over
the internet from a neighbouring country.

The European Commission has proposed that all 'nicotine containing products'
with more than 2mg per unit should not be classed as tobacco products.
Instead, under the Commission's proposals, nearly all e-cigarettes will need
to get authorisation as a pharmaceutical product, in the same way as
nicotine patches, sprays and gums.

Of course there is a balance to strike. On one hand e-cigarettes have the
potential to be a helpful way to help somebody quit smoking entirely and
greatly improve their health. On the other hand e-cigarettes currently can
contain up to 48mg of nicotine - far more than a regular cigarette, making
them highly addictive. As nicotine is the drug that makes cigarettes
addictive, somebody that tries e-cigarettes could be much more likely to go
on to smoke regular cigarettes. Furthermore, there is no evidence that
e-cigarettes are safe, and it is concerning that they are being marketed as
a 'healthy' alternative to smoking.
Currently we do not have any conclusive evidence either that e-cigarettes
are helpful for giving up smoking, or that they encourage it.

While we do not have this scientific evidence to rely on I think it is
wise to have a cautious approach to e-cigarettes. If they are
effective in helping people to stop smoking, then it is appropriate that
they are regulated in the same way as other smoking cessation tools, such as
nicotine patches.

The Commission proposal is not final and there will be many months of
negotiations by the European Parliament, as well as health ministers from
the UK and other EU countries, before the legislation is agreed.
During this time Labour MEPs will be looking carefully at all of the
measures and trying to find the best way to ensure that we effectively
reduce smoking rates in the UK and across Europe.

Thanks again for writing to me on this important issue."

Best wishes

Brian Simpson MEP

On a side note I think need a thread collating all the replys we recieve from MEP's and MP's so we can discuss their content and formulate replys.
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11/01/13 01:41 PM
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Not very encouraging, I have just written to him also amongst others including Nick Griffin!
He seems to miss many points, "regulated in the same way as other smoking cessation tools, such as nicotine patches."
We have already ceased smoking duh. It is the nicotine that we use and want to carry on using, in no way do we want to be weaned off nicotine which is what the patches are designed to do so there is no comparison


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(11/01/13 01:41 PM)amitron Wrote:  Just had a reply from Brian Simpson Labour MEP for the North West. Dissapointing on many levels for me to say the least. All my points pretty much ignored. Complete and utter buffoonery alert:

"Many thanks for writing to me about the important issue of the EU Tobacco
Products Directive, and how it will affect electronic cigarettes.

Because e-cigarettes are a relatively new product they are regulated
differently in each EU country. Some countries allow e-cigarettes to be
sold without any regulation at all. Others have banned the sale of
e-cigarettes. As the UK is part of the EU's internal market it is important
that we harmonise the way we deal with this product, otherwise consumers
could be buying unregulated products which do not conform to basic safety
standards, either within their own country, or by easily purchasing it over
the internet from a neighbouring country.

The European Commission has proposed that all 'nicotine containing products'
with more than 2mg per unit should not be classed as tobacco products.
Instead, under the Commission's proposals, nearly all e-cigarettes will need
to get authorisation as a pharmaceutical product, in the same way as
nicotine patches, sprays and gums.

Of course there is a balance to strike. On one hand e-cigarettes have the
potential to be a helpful way to help somebody quit smoking entirely and
greatly improve their health. On the other hand e-cigarettes currently can
contain up to 48mg of nicotine - far more than a regular cigarette, making
them highly addictive. As nicotine is the drug that makes cigarettes
addictive, somebody that tries e-cigarettes could be much more likely to go
on to smoke regular cigarettes. Furthermore, there is no evidence that
e-cigarettes are safe, and it is concerning that they are being marketed as
a 'healthy' alternative to smoking.
Currently we do not have any conclusive evidence either that e-cigarettes
are helpful for giving up smoking, or that they encourage it.

While we do not have this scientific evidence to rely on I think it is
wise to have a cautious approach to e-cigarettes. If they are
effective in helping people to stop smoking, then it is appropriate that
they are regulated in the same way as other smoking cessation tools, such as
nicotine patches.

The Commission proposal is not final and there will be many months of
negotiations by the European Parliament, as well as health ministers from
the UK and other EU countries, before the legislation is agreed.
During this time Labour MEPs will be looking carefully at all of the
measures and trying to find the best way to ensure that we effectively
reduce smoking rates in the UK and across Europe.

Thanks again for writing to me on this important issue."

Best wishes

Brian Simpson MEP

On a side note I think need a thread collating all the replys we recieve from MEP's and MP's so we can discuss their content and formulate replys.


He is Factually incorrect in several areas there, you should reply graciously thanking him but explaining science in laymans terms. 'an' electric cigarette does not contain 48mg of nicotine, for example. He also seems to be blissfully unaware of the high standards applied by the general products regulations in the UK.

He needs to be better informed to help you.

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The sad thing is Jay a substantial portion of my letter was dedicated to the science and levels of nicotine allowed in ecigs which he has completley ignored. I will however be writing to challenge his errors.

On the one hand he bemoans lack of scientific evidence in regard to ecigs and then speculates that the use of ecigs lead on to ciggarettes. Couldn't make it up.
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I'd wonder if it might be simpler to reply to hi and simply ask:

"Do you suggest I should keep smoking regular cigarettes then"?

He probably has a stock answer for that too though.

I have an appointment to see my MP on 8th Feb - just come through. Nowt from the MEPs yet though.

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