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How many people have contacted their MEPs' ?
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(11/01/13 02:10 PM)amitron Wrote:  The sad thing is Jay a substantial portion of my letter was dedicated to the science and levels of nicotine allowed in ecigs which he has completley ignored. I will however be writing to challenge his errors.

On the one hand he bemoans lack of scientific evidence in regard to ecigs and then speculates that the use of ecigs lead on to ciggarettes. Couldn't make it up.

Same here from a SE Lib-Dem.

I think I posted this somewhere here before, the stock response by a Lib-Dem MEP.
She has completly ignored everything I said and 'personalised' it by saying I'm a former heavy smoker who will be able to get nicotine as a medicine once it was licensed.

I didn't start vaping to quit nicotine and if that's what I wanted to do it would have failed, same as the many NRT attempts I made before. How can you license something as a medicine when it is not as a nicotine cessation aid?

Here's the letter from a SE Lib-Dem MEP, so everyone knows the stock amswer.

Thank you for contacting me regarding the revision of the Tobacco Products Directive.



You are correct in thinking that as this Directive was adopted ten years ago, proposals to amend it have now been put forward with a view to being adopted by the European Parliament and the Council in 2014 and coming into effect between 2015 and 2016.



Whist the overall objective of the revision is to improve the functioning of the internal market, it is expected that citizens in all Member States will benefit from improved public health.



The revision addresses the following main issues:

* how to regulate products which do not contain tobacco, but which are closely linked to smoking or tobacco consumption, for example electronic- and herbal cigarettes,
* labelling and packaging of tobacco products
* additives, such as flavourings, used in tobacco products,
* internet sales of tobacco products and
* tracking and tracing of these products.



I understand that as a previous heavy smoker you are concerned by the idea that electronic cigarettes could be banned by this Directive. However, electronic cigarettes containing nicotine over a certain threshold will be allowed if they have been authorised as pharmaceuticals. It is only cigarettes, roll-your-own and smokeless tobacco products that have a characterising flavour, such as menthol cigarettes and smokeless tobacco with a liquorice taste that will be prohibited.



As electronic cigarettes are still a relatively new invention, I believe that much more research needs to be done before a final Directive can be agreed on. Evidence on the safety of e-cigarettes is limited and there is no evidence regarding the health effects of long term use. Although it is unlikely that long term use of e-cigarettes is as harmful as smoking, inconsistencies in product contents and labelling need to be addressed.



In addition, a study on the acute pulmonary effects of using an e-cigarette found that there are immediate adverse physiological effects after short term use that are similar to some of the effects seen with tobacco smoking. Further, the World Health Organisation (WHO) reported that there is concern that nicotine delivery to the lung might result in stronger toxicological, physiological and addictive effects.



However, I do believe that this evidence must be balanced against the numerous studies where smokers, including yourself, have been able to quit conventional cigarettes after taking up an e-cigarette.



I believe it is necessary for the out-of-date Tobacco Products Directive to be updated, but the manner in which this is done needs to take account of current scientific evidence to ensure that the health of the public in general is a main concern. More research needs to be done as to the health effects of e-cigarettes and the Directive adjusted accordingly.



I hope this information is helpful to you. I will continue to monitor the situation closely and remain up-to-date with any developments in this field. When I have the opportunity to vote on this matter in the European Parliament you have my assurance that I will do so. In the meantime if you feel there is any further way I can be of assistance, or if you have studies in this area that you would like to draw my attention to, then please do not hesitate to contact me again.



Yours sincerely,



Catherine Bearder

The only 'study' mentioned is the discredited Athens one. I send studies to her, ignored.

11/01/13 02:25 PM
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It's a little concerning that only 31 people have voted here, and of that 10% aren't going to contact their MEPs!

I'd love to understand the reasoning there, I really would.

11/01/13 02:34 PM
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Just had the same stock reply from Brian Simpson, so i will reply back with more questions, totally ignored my request for a meeting. Do we have a right to request a meeting at their surgery?


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11/01/13 02:40 PM
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With MPs yes, but with MEPs it seems not sadly.

11/01/13 02:43 PM
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tx Dave, I await the reply from MP then. At least this is coming to their attention the more people write even if they are clueless, maybe they will start to researchit a bit more


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(11/01/13 02:45 PM)bogeeman Wrote:  tx Dave, I await the reply from MP then. At least this is coming to their attention the more people write even if they are clueless, maybe they will start to researchit a bit more

That's got to be the hope! And of course, we need to hope that it doesn't become party political too.

11/01/13 03:19 PM
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I have just replied to Mr Simpson

Dear Mr Simpson
I thank you for a quick response to my email.
I totally agree with your first paragraph that ecigs need regulating but it is at what level, the levels that are proposed are unworkable for all users of e-cigarettes and that is what needs addressing.
I totally disagree with your statement that ecigs need to be authorised as a pharm product as they are not a medicine and can in no way be classed the same as smoking cessation products. I repeat i ceased to be a smoker over 1 year ago and i wish to enjoy my nicotine by the delivery system i have chosen.
With respect i think you need to educate yourself on what is and what isnt contained in an ecig. 48mg is a gross innacuracy and i do not know of any that contain this amount, perhaps you could reference your source?
As most people who find ecigs are current smokers i hightly doubt that anyone who is not a smoker would want to take the system up.
You say that there is no evidence that ecigs are safe yet if you break down all the ingredients they are all considered food safe, nicotine is even present in Vegetables!
Proplyne Glycol - found in asthma inhalors and also used in theatres for simulated smoke
Vegetable Glyceryne used in many foodstuffs and medicines
Flavourings - again (gras) in many things
Nicotine - perfectly legal and as i say even found in vegetables
And that is it, nowhere near the 4000 dangerous chemicals found in a readily available product - the cigarette!

They are not advertised as a "healthy alternative to smoking" the nearest to this that i have seen is "healthier" there is a massive difference in the two terms
Nothing in the world is completely healthy

You say you do not have any conclusive evidence either that e-cigarettes are helpful for giving up smoking, or that they encourage it?
Could i ask if you even read my email because i am that very evidence that they were certainly helpful in me giving up and there are thousands more who will tell you the same.

Once again i would remind you that ecigarettes are not in any way designed to be smoking cessation tools they are a means of delivering the nicotine that we choose to use.

Could i ask you then, What do you advise me to do, start smoking again?
Kind Regards

Will see if i get a response


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Well, a cartomizer could quite easily contain 48mg of nicotine. If I fill a 4ml carto with 36mg/ml juice, that's three times this amount. He just needs to realize that we don't use it all in one go.

Perhaps he meant 48mg per ml. In which case, he still needs educating Wink

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Just went through the "write to them" process. I was polite, personal and to the point.

I now await responses, other than the automated acknowledgement of receipt.

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(11/01/13 03:29 PM)bogeeman Wrote:  I have just replied to Mr Simpson

Dear Mr Simpson
I thank you for a quick response to my email.
I totally agree with your first paragraph that ecigs need regulating but it is at what level, the levels that are proposed are unworkable for all users of e-cigarettes and that is what needs addressing.
I totally disagree with your statement that ecigs need to be authorised as a pharm product as they are not a medicine and can in no way be classed the same as smoking cessation products. I repeat i ceased to be a smoker over 1 year ago and i wish to enjoy my nicotine by the delivery system i have chosen.
With respect i think you need to educate yourself on what is and what isnt contained in an ecig. 48mg is a gross innacuracy and i do not know of any that contain this amount, perhaps you could reference your source?
As most people who find ecigs are current smokers i hightly doubt that anyone who is not a smoker would want to take the system up.
You say that there is no evidence that ecigs are safe yet if you break down all the ingredients they are all considered food safe, nicotine is even present in Vegetables!
Proplyne Glycol - found in asthma inhalors and also used in theatres for simulated smoke
Vegetable Glyceryne used in many foodstuffs and medicines
Flavourings - again (gras) in many things
Nicotine - perfectly legal and as i say even found in vegetables
And that is it, nowhere near the 4000 dangerous chemicals found in a readily available product - the cigarette!

They are not advertised as a "healthy alternative to smoking" the nearest to this that i have seen is "healthier" there is a massive difference in the two terms
Nothing in the world is completely healthy

You say you do not have any conclusive evidence either that e-cigarettes are helpful for giving up smoking, or that they encourage it?
Could i ask if you even read my email because i am that very evidence that they were certainly helpful in me giving up and there are thousands more who will tell you the same.

Once again i would remind you that ecigarettes are not in any way designed to be smoking cessation tools they are a means of delivering the nicotine that we choose to use.

Could i ask you then, What do you advise me to do, start smoking again?
Kind Regards

Will see if i get a response

Good reply have now replyed myself. Have reiterated various points as I am now convinced he never even read my original letter which got me down to be honest.

Have questioned his conclusions and asked for citation as regards his 48mg claim and his electronic cigs as a gateway to analog cigs claim. Have also asked if he is aware of what the offical party line from the Labour Party is on this.

Once again as representative of the North West I have asked him if his aware of the huge impact this will have on the industry which is hugely represented in the region.

I await a response.
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