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VERY, VERY IMPORTANT - PayPal Gift
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RE: VERY, VERY IMPORTANT - PayPal Gift
So what is the position regarding asking for payment by BACS?

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30/01/15 02:17 PM
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VERY, VERY IMPORTANT - PayPal Gift
Not making a point in particular, but wondering aloud (well, on a keyboard)...

I've sold several things on here. On one occasion (only) the buyer-to-be offered a bit less than I was asking, but offered to pay by F&F. I told him I thought that was verboten, but he pointed me to the "sticky" on the Sales forum which only forbade *asking* for payment that way, not accepting an offer of it. That made sense to me.
It made, and still makes, sense to me because at the root of the rule is the protection of the buyer. If it is the buyer himself who decides, and offers, to forego that protection, is that not his prerogative? If it is not, should it not be?

Don't get me wrong. I'm a fan of rules that make life simpler for everyone, and I'm very happy to stick to whatever rules there are for whatever I choose to do, from driving my car on the right if I go to France to selling a mod on the forum only by Paypal and under no circumstances F&F. If I want to drive in France or sell a mod on UKV, I'll do it by the rules. But I do wonder whether, particularly as a section of the populace who decry being "over-nannied", we need to be protected from our own wish to take a risk uninvited.

Just my two-penn'orth.

30/01/15 03:46 PM
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RE: VERY, VERY IMPORTANT - PayPal Gift
I go along with that pinktape, just done a deal on another forum.

I said to the guy, if I pay you PayPal personal it will save you £1.50 and will you knock that of the price.

He said yes and all went well.

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30/01/15 04:11 PM
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RE: VERY, VERY IMPORTANT - PayPal Gift
nosmo

Its NOT saved him anything as you kept the money, it saved you £1.50, but you lost any protection!

I too purchased on here and the seller asked for F&F or no sale!


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RE: VERY, VERY IMPORTANT - PayPal Gift
Well, Phil has made the rules clear. I would point out that NOT allowing PPFF not only protects the seller, it also protect the UKV team from all the unpleasant threads and recriminations when things go turtle and someone has lost out as a result of agreeing to PPFF

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RE: VERY, VERY IMPORTANT - PayPal Gift
(30/01/15 04:11 PM)nosmo Wrote:  I go along with that pinktape, just done a deal on another forum.

I said to the guy, if I pay you PayPal personal it will save you £1.50 and will you knock that of the price.

He said yes and all went well.

Not quite the same thing, I don't think...

The rule is to protect the "unconscious" buyer from unscrupulous sellers. Thus the rule against asking for F&F is a direct result. I'm more thinking of the "conscious" buyer, who decides to take a risk to save a few pennies.

His choice?

(30/01/15 04:23 PM)prof beard Wrote:  Well, Phil has made the rules clear. I would point out that NOT allowing PPFF not only protects the seller, it also protect the UKV team from all the unpleasant threads and recriminations when things go turtle and someone has lost out as a result of agreeing to PPFF

Now that I certainly DO get.

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(30/01/15 04:23 PM)prof beard Wrote:  Well, Phil has made the rules clear. I would point out that NOT allowing PPFF not only protects the seller, it also protect the UKV team from all the unpleasant threads and recriminations when things go turtle and someone has lost out as a result of agreeing to PPFF

Fair comment.

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RE: VERY, VERY IMPORTANT - PayPal Gift
(30/01/15 04:24 PM)pinktape Wrote:  Not quite the same thing, I don't think...

The rule is to protect the "unconscious" buyer from unscrupulous sellers. Thus the rule against asking for F&F is a direct result. I'm more thinking of the "conscious" buyer, who decides to take a risk to save a few pennies.

His choice?

You could argue that way, but will our frugal buyer be so forgiving and understanding if the item never arrives, or will he post a thread up about being ripped off and not having any protection (even though of his own doing?)

Rules seem clear enough to me


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RE: VERY, VERY IMPORTANT - PayPal Gift
agreed its a fair rule.


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I like the rule. I've paid by gift a few times on here ( I haven't bought that much tbh) but the buyer didn't request it, I just thought I'd do them a favour on a low value transaction and voluntary gave up my PayPal protection. I guess nobody would ever know as I wouldn't kick up a fuss in public for such a thing but it would be a harsh ban if they did. But rules are best kept simple so Thumbs Up
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